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 ENTERTAINMENT FAMILY
AKA MR PUTITONLINE

 

 

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DJ Chris (Entertainment Family) DJ/Producer/MC/promoter/Chat show Host/  All round Entertainer/Host/Entrepreneur. A peoples person. Nick named Mr Putitonline.  It all started at university where I did my first gig to 1000 plus students since then I have never looked back. Call me busy. If Im not doing the DJ thing , Im locked away in the Lab producing beats. If  thats not enough to manage then Im doing promotions BACK TO THE GOOD TIMES is me giving back to the ravers  A great party with friendly people that like to party and have a good time.

 

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2008 watch this space!!!.  For my between the sheets crew. The shows are going to be hot and steamy with guest and live calls. For my BACK TO THE GOOD TIMES CREW Watch this space. Im going to lock down the city lol. As for putionline. Well the name speaks for itself , its going to get bigger and biggerFor bookings including club/birthday parties Holla at your boy

 

 

DJ Chris is part of the Entertainment Family, a UK based group that is set on transforming your average night of clubbing into a new experience entirely. Not just content with putting on headphones and DJ'ing,producing ,Presenting  and promoting  DJ Chris likes to get into the crowd and make everyone go, what Americans like to call: buckwild. Yeah, if you're into R&B ,hip hop ,soul and bashment , DJ Chris AKA Mr Putitonline is an all round Entertainer .

 

Where did it all start?

Well basically, it started off from university. I kind of started off at university and there was no good music, it was all like going to Student Union bands and listening to crap, and I just thought to myself, You know what, I'm better off doing my own music', and before that I'd gone out and bought some decks, just because I was interested. My friend was DJ'ing, I saw him using his decks, I thought this is interesting', bought myself some decks and my brother also was a DJ and he had loads of records and stuff.

How old were you?

I was about 18, when I first got my kit. Because my older brother had DJ'd before, I'd kind of seen him and with all his records and all that stuff, so it kind of fell into place. When I got to university, I was like Oh, this is crap. The music is crap, I hate this, why don't I just bring some of my records down'. So I went down to the student union one day, put on a few records and I thought Wow, this is good, people are liking this!' so from there I thought Ok, right! That could be a way for me to start making money as well', because after that first set they said Right, why don't you come down and we'll pay you' and from then I just basically started DJ'ing at the university.

What were you studying?

I did a computer science degree.

Is that going to come in handy later?

Well, it's already come in handy! Because I've got a website called putitonline.com, it's for artists and to be honest without the computer skills, without the music, without the DJ'ing, I wouldn't have really got into what I'm doing now. So yeah, at university I started off with the small events, DJ'ing in the small party rooms and people would say Oh, DJ Chris, hire him!' and I was known as the R&B, soul, reggae DJ.

What uni was this?

Essex University. Anybody in Essex that went from 1992 to 1997 probably knows DJ Chris. Or Merciless Badboy as they used to call me back then, because basically I just used to do all the DJ'ing for everybody; anybody that did Caribbean parties or soul parties, anything like that, I was actually hired.

After that I left university and I carried on doing some promotion, I'd now stepped up my game as I see it and I'd basically gone into the club promotion kind of thing. So what happened is I got together with a friend and we said Right, lets get this club' so we went and sponsored a manager, the manager said Alright, you can have the club for free, and we'll take half the door', so from there I said Ok, right, get my DJ friends from London, include myself on the list and basically we'll run the whole night ourselves' and I did that for about two, three years. Sort of running a soul and R&B night every Friday.

How old were you at that time?

At that time I was about 22. Just finished university. Then after finishing university I was doing the club night but then I moved back to London. DJ'ing died down for a bit because obviously I wasn't doing the club night, but then the guy that I was actually DJ'ing with quite a bit and used to bring up with me, a guy called Marcus, all part of the Entertainment Family, we kind of basically did a night together called 20 to get in'. This is like year 2000, when everybody was paying stupid fees to get into clubs, we said Right, why don't we do a night where, same kind of thing, R&B, hip hop, soul everything like that, but instead of charging ridiculous prices like everybody else, lets charge 20 and give everybody free drinks'. So we organised that 20 to get in' and hence that's why we, the Entertainment Family, got together and since then we've been DJ'ing everywhere.

So that built your reputation?

Well from that day onwards people knew us as the Entertainment Family, that's how we came together. But I'd say how it came big is a case of, we were just hungry DJs. If there was an event, we'd go up to promoters and say You need us', because we were always hype, we were hungry, we liked that atmosphere. It wasn't necessarily about the money because in those days people just didn't want to pay us. Oh we can't afford to pay you', the classic thing of We aint got much money', you know, When it gets good, we'll pay you money'. It was like fifty quid sometimes split between four guys, like What's this!?'

But I think, because we were so hungry, we ended up doing a lot of these events and people really saw what we did. They saw that we were hyped as a crew, they saw that each of us had individual talents, in a sense of when we got to a party, its not Come and DJ' and that's it. We come to a party and we come to entertain. So whereas the average DJ will come; put his headphones on and away you go, you'd enjoy the music and enjoy the mix. But we came as a full package, as entertainers, not just: You come and DJ', but the whole hosting thing, getting the crowd going, getting the girls going, getting the guys going.

So you're part of the crowd as well, in a sense.

Yeah, exactly. That's the thing, you know you always see a DJ up in a stand, whatever, the main thing that I like to do, not even just as a DJ but as a host, is go into the crowd. Speak to the guys, speak to the girls, make them feel likeits almost like you do feel like a star because people are like Mr DJ, can you send a shout-out to this person', etc, people love it. They feel like they're getting seen to, the attention is there, and girls love it, come on. *laughs* If you ever want to get girls, hold the mic in a rave, it's all over!

You could write a book on this probably.

Seriously! The life of a DJ. On the tube I was writing down some notes and one of the books that I said I'm going to write one day is called Life Of A DJ', because a lot of people say What's the life of a DJ?' and the life of a DJ is good, its nice

Would you say DJs are seen as more like celebrities these days rather than artists?

Well the thing is; I think you've got a combination. Because DJs now are celebrities and artists, and the reason why I say that is because DJs have always been celebrities, but now DJs are taking a next step and saying You know what, I'm a celebrity but what's making me a celebrity? Is it because I'm just a DJ?' and what you're finding, even like myself, is they're going into things like production, producing, which gives us that artist label which is that next movement we make. So for myself, as a DJ, I then became an artist in a sense that I started producing tunes, I started rapping on tunes and making my own records; had a couple of releases of different tracks and I'm putting them out there, did the whole kind of street thing, going to shop to shop. So it's kind of a stepping stone that you've got to make as a DJ.

I think in these days as a DJ you've got to look out of just being a DJ because there's always going to be people that are hungry and the next generation is always hungrier than you because sometimes as a DJ if you don't look at what you're doing and take a step back, you'll actually realise that you're less hungry. Unless you have that next stepping stone that makes you continue to be hungry as a DJ but to continue hungry to the next step, which is the next level. There's so many levels that you could go as a DJ, you could go into promotions, you might go into producing, you might go into record label, I've literally done everything, on a small scale I've done the record label thing, I've done the producing thing and now I'm doing the website thing, which for me all goes hand to hand. Without all of those skills you can'tyou're missing bits as far as I'm concerned. Some people say No, I'm just going to stick to the DJ'ing' but if you love music, you will love doing all those kinds of things, which works all together.

Was there a musical inspiration in your younger years?

Michael Jackson was definitely inspirational, just for dancing and the way that he was musically. DJ'ing, I can't really say any one DJ inspired me but the DJ that always springs to mind for me, from a young age was Tim Westwood. Because he was always out there, he was the hip hop DJ, so I saw what he did and coming from that and seeing him on TV and then playing alongside him at some events, made me feel like Yeah, you've achieved what you wanted to achieve'. There's not that many things that I can say as a DJ that I haven't necessarily achieved, except for something like Party in the Park. I'd love to do a Party in the Park, but for me the best time DJ'ing, because I've played in a lot of places like Russia, Cyprus, Tunisia, but the best place was carnival. Oh and Yes I would love to write a book or two. One of the books Im working on is based on Radio show Between the sheets.

Carnival where you've got millions of people, you're on a float, the float is moving and you've got thousands of people coming behind that float. That's been the biggest buzz for me.

What year was this?

This was 2002. 2003 was fine but then they started cutting down the times of carnival, and they cut the route. But that was a ten hour shift; a normal DJ set is one hour, two hours, not ten hours. You're not going to get that, when are you going to get a set for ten hours that you are standing up DJ'ing with your guys for ten hours. No. I don't think there's many DJs out there, no matter how well known they are that they can say We've done a ten hour set to over a million people'. With carnival you're going round, you're never DJ'ing to the same set of people in one period of time. I was totally knackered, man. Totally.

What genres of music do you mostly work with?

Well mostly I work with R&B and hip hop, but we play everything. The main reason why people say we're entertainers is because we play hip hop, R&B, funky house, jungle, every new generation of music that's come out we've had a taste of playing, as a whole entertainment thing. It's not just playing R&B and hip hop though, we're creating a party vibe, you come, you want to enjoy yourself; we'll play the party music and the type of music people like. Predominantly though our main music is R&B and hip hop, that's what we love, that's where we started from. We do branch into the other streams of music like funky house. What you find is over the years there's always one new music that comes up, you know you had your jungle; your jungle kind of went to the underground. At that time we were slipping in sets of jungle, so we'd play our R&B, but because the jungle was the type of thing the people liked to hear, the hype music at that time, we'd slip in a half an hour set at a party or something like that. You tend to do that a lot as entertainers. We tend to that and slip in the generation of music that is at the time, and that's how you move with the times

R&B and hip hop have a traditional history with the USA; do you mostly play music from that country?

We do, and now we've started to play a lot more UK stuff, because the UK stuff is coming out more. I'm hearing a lot more R&B stuff, but predominantly yeah you're right, we play a lot of US hip hop and R&B. Not saying that the UK stuff is not up to standard, it's just there's not enough of it. There is more now, because people are getting opportunities and chances to get out there, and one thing as DJs, we try to play music that's given to us. Not all the music, sometimes people give you crap and you can't play crap because as a DJ if you're playing crap you're not doing yourself justice and you're not doing them justice, and if it doesn't fit in the set then you can't play it.

More recently the UK has been catching up in R&B and hip hop, and we've had successful artists like Dizzee Rascal and Beverly Knight who have retained their Britishness, but do you think there's a risk that the majority of British artists in these genres will have careers based on emulating American artists and trends?

I think that's changing. Because people are now saying You know what? I don't have to be American', that trend of Oh, I need to be American to do this, I need to sound like them and use slang' is going. Just like you said, we've got the Dizzee Rascals, you've got the UK Kanos who sound British. You've got some of these other guys that are on the street that are actually just keeping it British, they're doing that and even I said the other day to somebody, what a lot of people don't realise about Dizzee Rascal is, he should really be classed as somebody who's got a lifetime achievement. The reason being, he's probably one of the only UK rappers that's managed to get to their second album. Full stop. Let alone a single.

There are loads of underground artists trying to make their name, but

Even if you really go back towho can you really go back to that's hadI cant think of hardly, apart from maybe Slick Rick, British rapper went to America, who in the last decade as a rapper has had an album, let alone a single?

And with Dizzee, his topics are British, or London orientated, and also his accent is true, but you find a lot of rappers are using American slang, but you think this is going to pass?

Yeah, I think that's passed because people are realising now, that You know what? I can use my own slang'. See this is what was missing from the UK rap scene before, we didn't notice that our slang was unique to ourselves and we can put it into rap. People were doing it, but the way they were doing it, they weren't really getting noticed, you know they might have one hit, and that's it. Mark Morrison maybe had one hit. Again, he was R&B. You can't really say he was rap. I think the main thing is, you've got to listen to pirate radio. I followed pirate radio. I was on Dj Vu. Still doing Dj Vu now. Now, I've seen all these rappers, the Dizzee Rascals, the Kanos, they've all been on the same radio station, Dj Vu radio 92.3. When I think of who's actually come up from the scene

Klashnekoff?

He wasn't really on pirate radio, now this is where the scene is a bit different in a sense that what you've got is, you've got a difference between the Dizzee Rascals, the Kanos who have come from grafting on pirate radio, I'm talking about every single week they're rapping, their spitting their lyrics on pirate radio over the air for everybody to hear. Then you've got the Klashnekoffs who are broken through something like Channel U, and people notice it and people are loving his style, his rawness, his British kind of flow with kind of a Yardie ragga hard flow. Then you've got the other British rappers that are coming up now like Sway; that are doing their thing. But there's a big difference between those guys because those guys are artist as we tend to know artists, like they come up by rapping for a little while, give the DJ a track, DJ likes it, get a little bit of airplay, whereas these other guys like the Kanos and Dizzee, they've done a lot of grafting but they've come up faster than these other guys because they've done the ground work

Straight to the people.

Straight to the people, exactly. They're on the radio, every single week; people hearing their lyrics, so when you go and buy a single you know what he's saying already. As artists, that is your buzz, hearing somebody chatting your lyrics, singing your song.

What's your method for compiling a set list for a club night? Do you have a method? Is it based on what's hot at the moment or do you dictate what should be hot?

Right, we don't have a set list. That's why I suppose we're entertainers as the true form. Because I think every DJ don't get me wrong, you need to be organised, you need to know your music. Being organised is very important. Turning up on time, having your music in an order which you can select from is important, but you can't go with a pre-defined set. Main reason, R&B is a mainstream popular music now, you must admit, now if the first DJ goes on and plays the top ten, and then you go on and play the top ten, people aint going to be too pleased. Because they're hearing the same music.

Now what we do is, we'll go in, we don't necessarily play the top ten, we'll play the music that's here and now, fresh, with other bits from the past, slipping in things people haven't heard, so it's a general mixture of music. But I love club bangers. As a DJ, you know, I like to go into a club and I like to hear tunes that are going to make me dance, not tunes that are going to make me have a little bop, but club bangers. You know, that's my motto in a sense, if you're a club DJ, don't get me wrong you can play the radio tunes, but radio tunes are radio tunes. Club tunes are club tunes. So that's what I believe, whether its past, new, fresh, top ten, its got to be a club banger. One of the things I do on radio to feel what people are choosing and what they like; is the People's Choice. So if I'm on radio I'll say to the people, What music are you feeling at the moment? What is your People's Choice? What tunes make you want to dance when you go into a club?' so that can have a determination. But it's more than likely we know the music, we'll play the fresh music, and the People's Choice is more the tunes that they're hearing all the time.

How hard is it to be a DJ in today's industry?

It's not hard for anybody to be a DJ, but it's hard for you to get your break. To get your break, you've got to be hungry, you've got to literally phone the promoters up and hound them, they'll always ask you for a set, they'll ask you for a CD, which can be long sometimes but you can give them a good CD, they'll probably listen to it. But I think sometimes, as funny as it sounds, the easiest way to break through is to run your own promotion. That's the easiest way for any DJ to break through, run your own promotion. Because otherwise you're counting on somebody else to basically give you a break and that doesn't always happen.

So are we seeing a new generation of businessmen coming out?

It's never not been there, it's been there. But I've been thinking that what I was doing at university, I was a businessman. I remember knocking at every Student Union door asking them to buy a ticket for that night, for soul night, and by 8pm I had sold enough tickets to break even and make extra money. You must know that at university to sell eight hundred tickets, that's hard! Once I'd done that I thought Right, I can relax now. I've made my money', people were saying DJ Chris you can't do this man! How can you do a night like that? What are you thinking of?' and I was like No. People are begging for this type of night'. So you know, you just literally got to graft, and yeah, the new generation of people that are going to go into DJ'ing are the businessmen of tomorrow because they will be the producers, they will be the record label people, they will be the A&R people, because they've got the flare of going out, speaking to people and finding out what people want to hear.

What has been hardest to master, being a DJ, producer or MC?

That's a good question. I think you're never a master. You're always learning different things. Always learning. Hmm, what's hardest? I'd say probably rapping. I wouldn't say DJ'ing because I've done it, been there, I've done the promotional side, I've got club bookings, I've done that and to be honest I haven't really necessarily found it hard. Maybe I've been lucky. You know, you get in at the right time, meet the right people, you're lucky. As a DJ I think I've been definitely lucky because I haven't overstretched myself, but yeah I've been everywhere. I've been to a lot of places, DJ'ed. There's still places I want to go and DJ but I've done more than the average DJ would have done.

Production side. Now, that is quite hard. In a sense that it's hard to get your stuff out there but again I've taken the opportunity which other bands are now taking. Don't wait for the majors; get your stuff out there. This is exactly why I made my own website, and the reason why I made it is because I was producing these tracks and I was having to run around, etc. That doesn't work, its hard, to get people to pick up your tracks. So the next stage is to get your own website and sell your own music and do that. So that again, is hard but there's so much software out there that you don't necessarily have to be able to play to produce music.

Now, why I say rapping is hard, or MC'ing is hard, is because that's a different skill that you've either got or you haven't. Because you have to write; you have to perform, and I suppose that's where I've taken a backseat in one sense. In a sense that I've produced the records, I've had my video out, but it hasn't been my major focal point, because I know its something that I like doing, I like the limelight, but it's more difficult to be out there more than anything else. DJ'ing and producing is the major, the rapping is the sideline. I can put pen to paper and put something together, it takes me ages to write a song. Classic example, I did a song called Ever Had Dreams' and that song took me probably about three months to write. It's because I didn't just sit there and write it

What's the inspiration for your lyrics and performance when MC'ing?

Real life. Real life is my inspiration. Funnily enough actually because my brother's just joined a group called Real Life, when he said that's the name of his group I laughed because for me that's inspirational. The reason I did that song Ever Had Dreams' is because it was just an inspiration ofyou know when you sit down, you've got all these big dreams of what you want to do, having the fast car, the money, the this and that, and its all a dream that we all have, that was my most inspirational song that I did. Saying that, I actually did that with Maria from X-Factor, before she was even on X-Factor I got together with her and we did that song, she did the hook line on that and that was pretty cool.

Do you have a personal motto or work ethic to producing?

I love music and music loves me. Simple as that. As a DJ you're always going to have the butterflies. Every DJ has butterflies when he's doing an event. The moment you lose the butterflies, the moment you've lost that buzz. It doesn't mean nothing to you, it's just another chore, you go and put your headphones on, etc. You have to have that fear factor because you want to please the crowd, you want to make sure it goes down smoothly and nothing goes wrong. The moment you lose that buzz, is the moment that you think you're it'. You can never lose that buzz. You lose that buzz and you get out of the game

Can you tell me about The Entertainment Family, how and why it started?

That basically started off in 2000. We got together, group of us, me, Marcus, Sugar, Beefie, did the 20 to get in', and since then we've excelled. We were hungry; we were in every promoter's face like You need us! You need us at your event. If we're not at your event, your event aint going to be good.'

Do you believe The Entertainment Family improves the average clubbing experience?

Definitely. I'm not being big-headed, you don't get a club experience like ours; you don't. I don't think you do because I don't think I've seen many DJ-entertainers like us because I can't really call us just DJs. We're entertainers, which is a totally different game. A DJ can put his headphones on and just listen to his music, put his head down and mix. To be an entertainer you need to be able to DJ, you need to be able to host, you need to be able to interact. You need to be able to get that crowd going, to read the crowd. There's not many people out there that can do that. There's a few, but I don't know many apart from us that actually does that.

I'm a clubber, I go clubbing and I've heard DJs and don't get me wrong there's loads of good DJs out there, but they're not entertainers. They just DJ, and that's it.

Is there anything that bugs you about the industry that you want to change?

The only thing that bugs me is that sometimes what you get isI'd say its competition more than anything else. Competition is healthy, but when it gets a bit out of hand and people are trying to block each other all the time. That is kind of what bugs me.

What do you mean by block?

Well basically its like, one DJ might say Oh, you don't want to book them' or somebody trying to get hold of you through another DJ, and that DJ might not want to pass on the number. I think that's more on the underground level that that kind of gets to me, in a sense that I think we should just all work together, but it's a dog eat dog world. If I'm DJ'ing, I'm getting your work. Especially if I'm doing a two hour set, and you have lost your set. You know; something like that. So that bugs me in one sense but it doesn't because it doesn't affect me. At the end of the day, I can work with anybody and anybody can work with me, simple as that. I don't have a fear of any DJ or any crew or any group or collective out there because as far as I'm concerned it's all music, and if you love music, you love me.

Your profession and your business with The Entertainment Family has enabled you to travel around the world, where has been your favourite country and venues to perform at?

Ahh , Cyprus has definitely been Cyprus and Ayia Napa, I think that was in 2003, that was definitely the hype. That was the favourite place that I went to, to enjoy. Russia was cool, in a sense that it was a good experience, to be able to travel so far and DJ to people that couldn't even speak English. That was a good experience. We just flew there on a New Year's day and came back a couple days later and we just got treated so well. That was really nice, but I think Ayia Napa was definitely probably one of the best experiences, as in abroad.

Tunisia was good as well, but Tunisia was for me a rush, it was the classic DJ life. You get on a plane, you get in the country, you get picked up at the airport, you put your stuff in the hotel, quick bite to eat, you go to the club, you play your set, you come back to the hotel, you change, you go back to the airport, you go back to the plane. Some people say Wow, that's brilliant!' but do that a couple of times and you're like Woah, jet lag'. Especially when you're doing loads of other things. I'm working, running a website, I'm producing; when you're doing all those things after a while you get tired.

Ayia Napa the hype, the holiday, the enjoyment, the club life, that was brilliant. Russia, Tunisia as in the quick in and out, the real DJ's life. DJ'ing can be a 9 to 5, don't think its just like Yeah, I get my headphones on, got a couple of girls around me' and you're a celebrity. No. Sometimes it can be like a job, you go in at 9, you come out at 5, you're tired; you want to go home and sleep

Do crowds in different countries react differently to you?

No. I think it's universal. People that love R&B and hip hop, they go wild for it whatever country that you're in. What I would say is in America they know how to get down. I'm not saying that we in the UK don't know how to get down but these guys, they go nuts. I'd say realistically we are reserved in the UK.

So it's not a clich then, it's based in truth.

Yeah, one thing I've definitely realised about the UK is that we are a reserved set of people. We don't like to be up there too much in people's faces and getting too wild. It's not the British thing.

America, they're wild. They get buckwild, like they say. You go to America and you come out of a good club? You feel when you go back to the UK; you think This is boring'. There's a couple times I went to Miami and I came back, and I just couldn't get over the hype, because it was so muchyou know the way people got down, it's not the same

The Entertainment Family will be trying to change that here, right?

Yeah, what we tend to do sometimes, we record some of our sets and I'd definitely say some of the sets that we've had have been real hype nights where people will really have a good night. A good night actually, that I enjoyed quite recently was 2006 New Year's, we did a smooth party, we did that in Eros. That was really nice, we did the 12am set so you can imagine it was quite a busy night, it was quite nice.

Do you have plans for albums in the near future?

Well the funny thing is, I've got two things on the go, but basically it's just down to funding on both of the things. One of the albums that I've had for a little while but have never done a major release of it, is an album called MCs Want To Write This' which is basically an inspirational album of my material produced with some of my tracks and tracks I've done with other artists where I've produced the tracks, and basically the next thing I want to do is to put it online. Volume 1, which is basically the artists from putitonline.com. A compilation album of their tracks. The one that people are asking me for nowbecause I also do a Sunday night radio show and that's like slow jams, and I always talk about in the early hours of the morning in a segment called Between The Sheets, so you can imagine what we talk about. We talk about everything that people don't want to talk about, and its just basically slow jams, so that's another compilation album that girls are asking for.

Do you have any favourite artists or groups at the moment?

I wouldn't like to say so because at the moment there's so much good music out there that I cant put one artist in my brain and say That's the artist'

So the genres are really good at the moment?

Yeah. If I want to pick an artist from the UK; that I've listened to; gone out to buy his album; it's Kano. Because I just like the way he raps, he's new and fresh. From the US scene there's so many artists, too many to mention, they get big up all the time.

Any advice for people aspiring to get to where you are?

Keep hustling. Keep hustling; don't give up your dream. Keep knocking on those doors, because those doors will eventually open.

And good advice earlier, promoting yourself, don't rely on others all the time.

Exactly, promote yourself, definitely. Do your own nights and get out there. Put it online as well. Myspace is big but they don't allow artists to make money, if someone says to me What's the difference between you and Myspace', I'd say Myspace has got a lot of money, a lot of backing, but as an artist Yeah you can use it for promoting and awareness, if you've got good material, use that material as your shop. So people can come and buy your stuff, not just download it for free. I haven't got anything against people like Myspace because what I'm doing with putitonline.com is basically; I'm going to be telling all the artists about all these sites that they should be on, so if we put you on putitonline.com we'll put you online everywhere else, to save the artist from having to do everything. It's difficult for artists; you're having to manage all these sites yourself.

 

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